. >> it was ronald reagan and jack kemp who supported the idea of the earned income tax credit so people who were poor wouldn't have to pay their money to the tax man so they could use their wealth and use their resources to build their income and become part of the middle class. are you saying you don't support that concept? >> i think you make the system much more complex when you start exempting this group and that group. the fact of the matter is, if we have a fair taxation system, the economy is going to explode. you're going to have plenty of money. if you want to do something for those people in terms of money that you want to give to them or some program you want to make available to them, i'm all for that. but once we start tinkering with the system and saying, let's change it here and let's change it here and let's make an exception for this group or that group, then we get away from fairness. >> we're going to leave it there. many thanks, dr. ben scarson, a always, sir, appreciate your time. all best of luck on your pending retirement. coming up on kudlow, new charges of a che